The bible says Let God be true and every man a liar So follow the Word and you will never be led astray. Bob So true, the subject that I simply couldnt justify (there were several) with my old fundy churchs teaching with scripture, was tithing. You either comply or you are thrown out. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. I think you are confusing ceremonial law with moral law. They tried to establish that according to history, Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ. Tithing was never supposed to be for the maintenance of the house of God. He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. To hold to the secessionist position takes the authority away from the New Testament and places it in the hands of man. You dont study enough. 3.) I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. WHEN AND WHERE WAS THE FIRST RECORDED BAPTIST CHURCH IN HISTORY. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. King Ethelbert and his court, and a considerable part of his kingdom, were won over by the successful monk. Before the America won its independence and the Constitution became law, the Episcopal church, which was the American branch of the Church of England, was the only legal church in Virginia. There he became the pastor of the Puritan church. Is the IFB a cult? - Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception Thats kind of like being an American and never knowing enough about the nations beginnings to be able to make an intelligent decision about whether some politician is leading us away from freedom. You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. Here ar ethe key words: ought to have done without leaving the others undone, which would mean that tithing is good. For example, G.L. Read all (mor ethan on epost under name Lynne). That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. In what areas? Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. He also had a big thing against girls being in beauty pageants, not sure what the problem was there. In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. Unaccountable. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Overview of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination, A Brief Survey Of Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches: What They are and What is Their History. Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches He is light years away from the legalism of the last church, but holds tightly to the KJV (too tightly I think) but is not fanatical like the last pastor. But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. ABSOLUTELY we teach tithing if you dont want to give a tenth back to the God that saved your soul from hell, then I wonder if youve met the same God that I have. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ This site is run by a Jack Hyles follower. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. HWY 3 NW. They believe that when the Book of Revelation was completed by the Apostle John about 90-95 AD, the Word of God was complete. The natural question then to ask is, What makes a person a true Baptist? In examining the history of Baptists and determining what makes up a genuine and true Baptist, five distinctives should be noted. A couple of things to consider here, first he was speaking to Pharisees, and they were in fact still under law. We are friendly Fundamental Independent Baptists, k ind-of like the church your grandparents might have once attended. Robert Fry - Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception; 75. I attend an Independent Baptist church and Ill answer your questions They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. S.J. Matthew 7:1&2, Judge not, that ye be not judged. The word Independent means that the church is not a member of any council, convention or is a part of any hierarchy outside the local congregation. @greg However, history does not record even one Anabaptist group or church becoming or founding a Baptist church. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). Our goal is to send out missionaries, home and abroad, that will start independent, fundamental Baptist churches. Typically they take the following verse an stretched it like a balloon: This group is to help Pastors locate KJV IFB Churches. 5. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches in the Philippines You may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with many of their doctrines and especially why they persecuted the Baptists and drove them from their colonies. Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. But not all Baptist churches are that way! You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. In the Midst of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network's Website and It is also true that we have a responsibility to tell people about the gospel message, especially those who we have contact with. Smokers use breath mints. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings. 2 . I understand what you are saying about these kind of messages with strong emotional appeals. I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. Modern church history is irrelevant, not only to our topic but to us in general. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Its so good knowing that we have an advocate with the Father that helps us to do that very thing. . By 1626, the churches had grown from one, to five churches and by 1644 there were forty congregations. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. No Law we are obligated to in the sense they have any weight of sins being dealt withfor Jesus done away with sins. But if your wife and daughters are dressing immodestly to draw attention to their bodies, theyre not dressing in a Christ-honoring way Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. 3:3). I appreciate your stand for the cause of Christ, and remember always to rely on the blessed Word of God to lead and guide you, there will be times perhaps, when someone you really look up to is promoting ideas that are not biblical and yet they try to use the bible to convince you of their veracity. I do like your nice touch of calling us idiots though. The only power above the pastor is God, and Gods silence seems to imply endorsement and collaboration. No words could console. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. They are the only group into modern times whose churches were founded on the Scriptures alone and not on the traditions or works of some man. Henry Jacob. 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? Later, he escaped and became a Christian missionary. Ministry experience: Over thirty years of experience in Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches, serving in . In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. Jesus quoted the old testament. Mostly because that had nothing to do with my question. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. Advanced Search Directory View All Listings Add Listing Sort By: Grace Baptist Church Pastor's Name Timothy C. Johnson Physical Address 487 Hwy. Blessings. It is well to note the Pilgrims were also Puritans, and Puritans were Protestants who had left the Church of England. (1 Tim. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. 4. I am an IFB. John 10:10, halftruth and deception ministries. I think that you should go kill your children. Any idiot can do that. It is in fact Gods Word in 17th century english. Seeking to be faithful to the Word of God, the early Bible church movement sought to provide fellowship, counsel, and cooperation. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. It should be free. PASTOR JOE MINNERUP. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. I hope Im helping him in his faith journey. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? Baptists have always been the champions of the Word of God and preaching of the Gospel. Romans 1:20 says that For since the creation Gods invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.. God said He would preserve His church and that task was not left in the hands of fallible men or groups. So the the issue is that there has to be a Biblical standard for dress. I think a biblical case can be made for modesty, for both men and women, beyond that, you would be hard-pressed to find anything else. It is often said that the Protestant Reformation had both a formal cause and a material cause. Independent Fundamental Baptist Church Hope is a Baptist church located at Chapala lago, Patzcuaro Ejido Xochimilco, Patzcuaro Ejido Xochimilco, Zona Urbana Xochimilco, Mexicali, Baja California 21355, MX. Jesus Peace, Joy, and Guidance be with us all. I attend an IFB church. For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. (man of God). He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. God uses us, to the extent that get out of His way. Please elaborate, Should have said of course no singing with musical accompaniment.. Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Independent-Fundamental-Churches-of-America, Official Site of IFCA International, Grandville, Michigan, United States. I cannot know. WHAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHURCH? The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement You have accused Greg of, Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture., yet you have essentially done the same thing. Generally speaking, to be Reformed means to have one's roots in the Protestant Reformation of the 16th and 17th centuries. Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. Google Maps shows it located in a modest strip mall in Jacksonville, Florida, alongside an arcade, a . Thats all. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. He, however, continued to preach by holding services in his own home. http://www.bible-truth.org/fundbapt.htm. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word officer is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. I really dont know how to describe it. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. This is the biggest wrong teaching of the Churches of Christ, although you have lots of company in this wrong belief, it is still wrong teaching. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. 2 Corinthians 9:6 Prosperity Giving Deception, 76. Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. I chose to focus on the doctrine of separation as typically understood by Independent Baptists (I was one). In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). One of the best sources I have found concerning His nature, the Nature of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is at the following link: Gayle Erwin does a wonderful teaching on the nature of God. Why, because it was founded on Gods Word and there is no necessity that it have contact with some other church which belongs to a succession of churches. People sin, and people attend churches. In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. You are correct, I was surprised. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. He lived a sinless and exemplary life, died on the cross in our place, and rose again to prove His victory and empower us . As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). There was no hierarchy in the churches he founded, which were patterned after the simple New Testament example. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. The Presbyterians took over the job of persecution biblical believers and forbade Knolleys from preaching in parish churches. The first Baptist church in New York was started by William Wichendon, in 1656. I would agree with this. I meant to say that I agree that the IFB has strict dress standards. The point is Jesus not only did not condem it but He said it should not have been left undone. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. It is difficult to document these congregations because they were rarely in the spot light of history. The IFBs always point fingers at the Catholics, but the Baptist faith is loaded with the traditions of men, I guess its kind of hard to escape. Some have pointed to the Anabaptists as the examples of early Baptist churches. King James, Fundamental, Independent Baptist Resources. Lynne, It bases its belief in the New Testament teaching that every believer is a priest to himself, having full excess to God without the need to go through a church, church leader or priest. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. Greetings, History records the members of this Baptist church went back to England or remained in Holland and joined Mennonites. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. They submit a request to become affiliated and then are supplied with a form to fill out. Tithing was never required for anyone except Jews who lived under the Mosaic economy. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). PO BOX 292. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. These churches are good examples of Bible believing churches that existed independent of the Roman Catholic Church, and were for some time not corrupted by its influences. Protestants have never accepted the principle of separation of church and state. All systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church has lead to doctrinal errors and corruption without exception and God has not party with them. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: These churches remained sound in doctrine and practicing the faith of the New Testament. This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. The Gospel is to be preached throughout the world by believers empowered by the Holy Spirit as Acts 1:8 plainly states. There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. It holds high the saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament and an unwavering commitment to carrying out the Great Commission, that is, to teach everywhere the truth of Gods Word. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA In other areas Baptist churches were being formed about this same time. Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. 6. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. However, tithing has nothing to do with your Salvation Independent Baptist Directory of Churches. The not so fine folks at Westboro Baptist are a bunch of lunatic fringe haters that act in contrast to the love of Christ they espouse to embrace. 6) teach old testament tithing new testamenent giving is found in 2 Cor 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. There are hundreds of archaic words that I have no idea what they mean and then you have words that have actually changed meaning since the KJV was published like conversation, to me that means to talk with someone, not in the KJV, it means behavior, prevent is another one, to me it means to stop someone from doing something, not in the KJV, it means to precede. He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. IndependentBaptist.com | Resources For Independent Baptists America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. The Official Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Rulebook The powertrip, which is all Ill call it, was even noticed to be among some of the laypersons who were ushers, or just people who knew people. This is not to say there were no Baptists in Britain earlier, but that this began a line of churches whose history can be traced. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Nope, dont see that. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the It seems as if the preacher thinks it is within his ability to persuade people to accept Christ or to get people to witness or whatever. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. Is this really what youre doing here? Yes, I knew the life he led, and there was nothing externally that suggested he was anything but a vile sinner who was never saved. 451 Likes, 8 Comments - Spencer Smith (@spencersmith312) on Instagram: "I was saved at 18 at an independent, fundamental baptist church. About Us - International Baptist Missions John was beheaded by Herod (Matt. Not sure where to post this so lets try here. I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. Hope this clears up some confusion. What is the Reformed Baptist Church? | GotQuestions.org So you made assumptions based on very little. They are worlds apart. It is the clergymen who are affiliated. I apologize for my assumptions! If someone just wanted to wear their socks and nothing else to Church they would probably not be allowed in most Churches. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Anyone not holding Episcopal ordination was forbade to hold services. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Gilbert (7 miles) Higley (11 miles) Mesa (13 miles) Tempe (14 miles) Ahwatukee (14 miles) El Mirage (14 miles) More Types of Churches in Chandler. It was founded because some saved men believed the Bible and wanted to follow the New Testament example of what a true church should be. 2. The person, John the Baptist. To say there is a unbroken line or succession of Baptist churches from the time of Christ until today cannot be shown from history. The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. Theres no recourse. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. I will not post here again. One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. Enter city. https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html. But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. So what is the solution? Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. Independent Fundamental Churches of America - Britannica I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. Memoirs of a Recovering Fundamentalist, 55. The first Baptist church on American soil was a direct result of the Puritan persecution of true New Testament believers. The Reformers were those who protested against certain abuses within the Roman Catholic Church. At any rate, logical fallacies dont need to be in or out of context to be called logical fallacies. When the Roman Emperor declared Christianity the religion of Rome, he in mass converted hordes of pagans which made up the Empire. . I have gone to Dayspring in Wisconsin and Hillcrest in El Paso and both have apps if you want to check them out. 6.) First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. NOT ONE. This free resource is here to help you find an independent Baptist church in your area or while traveling. Select worship style. But it seems bottom line the wealth & sacrifce of it to kingdom building remains the same. The Independent Baptist church has a congregational form of government with each member having the right of the vote and all the affairs of the churches are conducted by the local congregation following the guidelines of the New Testament. I watched a man die last week. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. @greg Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. 78. I cannot judge this man. There have always existed, from the time of Christ, New Testament churches which were not a part of the Roman Church. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. Look at Ezekiel 33. I found a load of stuff about people who claim certain Calvarly Chapels misueded them & did not know Bible & also on ehere in Maryland has a onliune tithe on website! These people give Jesus and Christianity overall a black eye every time they go to a military funeral or any other event they have absolutely no respect for. You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. In 1700, a Baptist minister, William Rhodes began to hold meetings on Long Island and in 1724 organized the first Baptist church there. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail.
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